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April 2, 2013

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batye
batye
April 13, 2013 7:14 pm

should be interesting hope to attend as I would like to learn more 

Iraj Khazanedarlou
Iraj Khazanedarlou
April 16, 2013 1:19 pm

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Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 5:39 am

Good morning everyone! You can leave questions in this chat window throughout the day, and we’ll be having a full Q&A session immediately after the audio show features. We’re starting at 2pm London time, which is 1pm GMT. Wherever you are in the world, hope you enjoy the show!

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 8:52 am

Been looking forward to this one all week!

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 8:57 am

Thanks Saul, great to have you along. Starting in a few moments!

Lara Doyle
Lara Doyle
April 17, 2013 9:03 am

Very intrigued by the topic. Look forward to hearing what you have to teach us. 

Atticman
Atticman
April 17, 2013 9:10 am

Can barely hear Mark

Darren Whetton
Darren Whetton
April 17, 2013 9:14 am

Sound keeps going off for a few minutes at a time. Can’t hear anything at the moment

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:15 am

If anyone is struggling to maintain audio, it sometimes helps to try a different browser.

Darren Whetton
Darren Whetton
April 17, 2013 9:18 am

Still nothing

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:19 am

I’m on chrome on Mac at the moment and it’s running fine.

sorin.calinescu
sorin.calinescu
April 17, 2013 9:21 am

I`m on Chrome, too.it is OK

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:23 am

Is that data transfer load tested at any point? As inm when the students turn up, do you know the university will be able to deal with that much data floating around?

eghbali
eghbali
April 17, 2013 9:24 am

Still nothing

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:24 am

Please submit your questions. If we have time on air we’ll answer a couple, otherwise we’ll be online for the chat here for 30 mins after.

kevinbeazley
kevinbeazley
April 17, 2013 9:25 am

lost everything !

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:25 am

Sorry to hear about some of your technical difficulties. Please try a different browser and a hard refresh (ctrl+F5). 

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:26 am

Took me a while to get it running but is solid now in Chrome.

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:28 am

How has this level of monitoring been taken up by the students? Is there any reluctance to embrace from a privacy angle etc?

eghbali
eghbali
April 17, 2013 9:28 am

Can’t hear anything at the moment

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:30 am

Thanks for a great talk!

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:31 am

So a couple of questions from saulsherry:Is that data transfer load tested at any point? As inm when the students turn up, do you know the university will be able to deal with that much data floating around?
How has this level of monitoring been taken up by the students? Is there any reluctance to embrace from a privacy angle etc?

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:31 am

Steven, Mark, anything on that?

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:33 am

The IOT angle interests me too — I get that from a security angle, but is it something that will give the students tangible benefits as well?

Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas
April 17, 2013 9:33 am

The data is insignificant when you consider the amount of data required for IP CCTV from a DAtalog perspective

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:34 am

Hi, just to answer your question about data loads. Yes, we test and project both loads across the network and also into our data centre, server architectures. It’s a good point, as we collect more data we need to consider server architectures and scalability. We also have the cloud as an option maybe.

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:34 am

So testing it in an empty university will be enough to be sure it will run during semester?

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:36 am

I think on servers, some of the ideas about virtual servers for efficeincy are very interesting, I know we touched on that briefly, could you explain a little more how much power virtual servers save when compared to a normal one?

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:36 am

I remember attending a festival where they tried to datafy the way people bought drinks at the bars, it all sounded like a great plan until 30,000 people descended and blocked up the system and interferred with the wireless communications – good to know this stuff is being taken into consideration.

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:36 am

I guess tangible benefits are better services. We are also creating more autonomy for our users with more self-admin, room-booking and equipment, places within the building to connect to screens to practice presentations, live travel information etc

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:38 am

We are connecting our systems and applying business-rules and intelligence, it’s ever evolving like the ICT and inteliigent systems industry.

Lara Doyle
Lara Doyle
April 17, 2013 9:38 am

Does running that much data incur significant storage costs? Is the university running a keep everything policy?

Rodney Brown
Rodney Brown
April 17, 2013 9:39 am

Sorry I missed the radio portion, so if this has been answered, I apologize. But what sort of data does the intelligent building collect on students that would cause them privacy concerns? I can’t think of anything other than location, which their cell phones give out anyway.

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:40 am

That’s a good point Rodney, students probably fall into the demographic who are spewing out loads of personal information anyway!

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:41 am

But also a group who would find it concerning potentially if their data was being used irresponsibly. great question, Rodney.

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:41 am

Virtual servers: for us we save approximately 50% over a tradional server architecture. We use VM’s, the efficiencies are also in the decreased power use in a purpose made environement, hot aisle cold aisle, lights-out, remote-admin, energy policies applied

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:41 am

Is this project at Birmingham focused on all new builds? Or does some of this technology also get installed as a refurb?

Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas
April 17, 2013 9:42 am

depending on the size of the virtual server…we have a relatively small VM server at our office and its running 10 different applications that would have needed 10 x PC controllers…at 400 watts each that could add up to 4 KW and the our virtual server uses less than 1000 watts…that would be scalable for larger applications such as the university

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:42 am

50% amazing, thanks Steven.

Rodney Brown
Rodney Brown
April 17, 2013 9:43 am

True, @saul and , but also a demographic that gets incensed about what little privacy they erroneously assume they have left.

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:45 am

The privacy issue is very important to us, we don’t want to cross any lines here or just be intrusive. We use access-control, attendance monitoring, student records to meet our obligations for student attendance monitoring and offer more targeted services. 

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:45 am

Does storage space become an issue? For instance, how long would a University like Birmingham City need to hang on to CCTV footage for? Is there a legal requirement as it is an Educational facility?

Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas
April 17, 2013 9:46 am

The majority of our projects are carried out on upgrading existing buildings and consolidating multiple systems for larger organisations who want to centralise their systems to a single control room…this offers greater efficiencies and cost savings plus benchmarking accross different buildings

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:47 am

We have about 300TB for CCTV in a RAID environment. I am not an expert on how long the footage is stored for, but from memory it’s tiered according to importance by the security team. Again our data storage is modular so we can add more as required 

Rob Ratcliff
Rob Ratcliff
April 17, 2013 9:48 am

Makes sense, Mark. Presumably, the newer the building, the easier it would be to integrate the systems in the first isnace.

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:49 am

Attendance monitoring is interesting then… are there any plans in place to use this in pattern recognition routines, offering specific help to students? Or integrating with other data streams to help students choose course units year to year?

saulsherry
saulsherry
April 17, 2013 9:52 am

300TB – scary amount of Data!

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:52 am

We have MS business intelligence server, so yes we want to use it give give a more targeted service to our users. Exactly, more targeted help and specific information for them including better ways of helping international students with more nuanced BI

Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas
April 17, 2013 9:52 am

it can be more cost effective to develop a software interface for an installed system than replacing a system in use…we recently provided a solution for a University that wanted to extend the life of approximately 100 intruder detction systems. Being in business 21 years has enabled us to develop a substantial portfolio of integration modules so it can be easier in some cases…it all depends if it it commercially sunstainable

Steven Hipwell
Steven Hipwell
April 17, 2013 9:53 am

Haha, Google have over 1m servers though now, so we are way off that